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Was it a vintage Derby? The head says no.
Was it won by a class animal? The jury is out but the head is leaning towards yes.
Here is my take on each runner in the 2011 Epsom Derby -
1 Pour Moi (IRE) 4/1 - Did he handle the track? I'm not convinced. Does that make his performance even better? Almost certainly. Barzalona had to get after him fairly early in the straight but all credit to the horse he kept responding. It struck me that the further they went the stronger the horse appeared and I would imagine 1m2f races should now be well off limits. The Arc is now obviously on the agenda and the horse deserves to be amongst the favourites for the Paris showdown in the autumn, however, I could not entertain taking any of the prices available at the minute.
2 Treasure Beach 25/1 - A fine piece of riding from O'Donoghue on what is essentially an exposed performer. The options are still pretty much open on this Galileo colt and although he may fall short of the top of the tree there will be races in the 3yo and he should continue to perform with credit.
3 Carlton House (USA) 5/2F - To mind there are no real excuses for the Stoute runner. He ran a solid race and he showed a mean turn of foot at around the 3 furlong pole. Personally I think he should be put back over 1m2f as I feel he may always just fall short at the top level over 1m4f; I'm not convinced the stamina is all there for the 1m4f Grade 1's.
4 Memphis Tennessee (IRE) 20/1 - Ran a blinder and until the final furlong and a half and young Joseph O'Brien was riding and controlling the race well. However, O'Brien seemed to get out of sync with his mount when push came to shove it was disappointing he couldn't hold on for a place. There are races in the horse.
5 Native Khan (FR) 8/1 - In my opinion he falls short on class at this level, however, what he lacks in class he more than makes up for in his determined attitude. He is the sort to pick up Group 2's and Group 3's but a Group 1 victory may prove elusive (unless he makes the trip to German, Italy....etc)
6 Recital (FR) 5/1 - Pat Smullen (or Pats Mullen as Mrs NTF calls him!) seemed to struggle to settle the horse in the first couple of furlongs and this may have left him with little in the tank for the final surge to the line. I don't think it was entirely the horse not handling the track that cost him here and it could be that he is one of those Montjeu's that has the talent but doesn't always use it to his best advantage. If he settles more as a 4yo he could be very interesting.
7 Vadamar (FR) 14/1 - Never really in the race and it could have been happening all too fast for him on the ground. Softer and/or further may be the key to this one.
8 Masked Marvel 25/1 - Doesn't look a group 1 animal to me and will probably find some success lower down the tree.
9 Pisco Sour (USA) 50/1 - Possibly struggled with not being able to lead but likely to prove well below Group 1 class.
10 Seville (GER) 13/2 - Never in the race and has to be said it was disappointing run. Did he struggle with the track? I don't think that was the main contributing factor. To me he seemed to either run out of petrol (very quickly) or had absolutely zero change of gear. I'm inclined to go with the latter and his future may rest over further.
11 Ocean War 12/1 - Miserable run and didn't seem interested in the job at hand. Interesting to see where they go with this one as it's difficult to see what his options are. He is better than the result suggests but I'm not sure by how much.
12 Castlemorris King 150/1 - Completely out of his depth.
13 Marhaba Malyoon (IRE) 100/1 - Similarly out of his depth.
The Derby usually throws up plenty of winners and class performers. Will this year prove the same? Time will tell but one thing is for certain - it won't be the last we hear of Mikael Barzalona!
Ben (NTF)



6 comments:
I'm always interested in discussion about "Classic" races as (invariably) the new kid on the block is never thought as good as the one they replace.
My take is that POUR MOI is very good. His half-sister was 2nd in the Prix de Dianne beaten by Zarkava (no less), and this Derby winning performance outshone that one. Also, don't dismiss TREASURE BEACH - O'Brien nearly always sends his best 3yo's to the Chester May meeting and he should never have been 25/1 after winning the Chester Vase and thereby demonstrating proven stamina over the Derby trip.
I would agree that Carlton House has to prove he is a true 12-furlong Group 1 horse, but he certainly showed sufficient tactical speed to pick-up the leaders to suggest a Group 1 is within his compass.
You also have to consider the position from which POUR MOI won, as not even the great Dancing Brave could come from last to first in the home straight to win the 1986 Derby.
I would say his RPR23 rating is "light".
Is it really 12 months since my workforce post
well here are my thoughts on this years winner
I Have started to look back at past Derby winners that won in a photo by less than 1/2L and here are the findings and how they went on in races after their win
1984 Secreto (Shd) Never Ran Again after Derby
1997 Benny The Dip (Shd) 2nd in Eclipse 3rd in Juddmonte international 6th in the Champion Stakes
1998 High Rise (Hd) 2nd in the KGQE stakes at Ascot 7th in the Arc
2006 Sir Percy (Shd) 7th in the Champion 4th in the Sheema Clasic
2011 Pour Moi (hd) ???
I wouldn’t be touching this winner with a shitty stick in future races
Now to see what won those races they competed in, in the case of
1997 : Eclipse,(Pilsudski 5yold who prepped at Ascot when 2nd in the Hardwick stakes ) Juddmonte (Singspeil older horse who prepped KGQE at Ascot when 4th ) and Champion stakes (Pilsudski older horse who prepped in the Arc when 2nd )
1998 (Swain older horse prepped in Hardwick when 3rd which was in turn won by a older horse Posidonas who prepped for it in the Coronation Cup at Epsom ) (Sagamix who prepped for this in by winning the Prix Neil as an unbeaten 3yold )
2006 (Pride an older horse who prepped for this race by running 2nd in the Arc)
2007 (Notnowcato an older horse who prepped for this race running 3rd in the Prince of Wales at Ascot beaten by Manduro another 5y old )
Now the past is no guide to the future but even with this short sample you would have to agree that these horses will struggle against there older rivals in all the big races to come from now on. This could be a real money spinner should that be the case
keep up the great work Ben
Bobhorse
Hi WL
Thanks for the comment. I'm personally of the view that his rating is, for the moment, about right. It gives room for the improvement that he will invariably need to show to beat his elders.
I agree that Carlton House has a Group 1 in him but I think it will be over 1m2f rather than 1m4f.
Cheers
Bob Horse
Very interesting little sample you provide. Will be keeping that in mind. There is certainly a train of thought that suggests a few in this years Derby field were below G1 standard.
Cheers for the comment.
Ben i would go further and say that there isnt a group 1 horse in the field of the Epsom Derby in races where they meet there elders
Unlike the French Derby winner who i have has this years Arc winner already trainers knows the time of day they will put him away and he will win the Prix Neil before Taking the Arc if my opinion is correct of him
He is 7lbs better than the English winner IMHO at this stage with more improvement still to come I cant have the Queens horse he doesnt get 12f IMHO
Cheers Bobhorse
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